DM-Zorn

[Er.Neelix*]

I've decided to make a poll about this map. Some people tell me to remove it, others tell me to keep it.
I think this is the best solution, now the people can decide for themselves.

[cadeyrn]

Tell me one good reason for this map to be removed. 

You don't know it very well? - The tournament havent even begun yet so there's plenty of time to practise it.

You hate shields? - I hate hammers

You don't find it fun to play a map you're not comfortable with? - It's a tournament, not everything can be on your terms. 

I think this map has to be in the cycle for people who enjoys low caliber and its a great map for tactics aswel. Not everything has to be smashing hammers and axes at eachother. 

xoxoxo

[zyroloth]

Cade, just as you depicted in your post, people subjectively dislike different aspects. That's the reason this democratic POLL has been made, I guess.  If there is a majority of 'yes' votes, it will be kept and everything is fine. If not, we gotta live with the resulting outcome, as well.


Btw, let's add DM-newandimprovedTOILET. I hate maps without a crapper, there's still time for you folks to practice it...Before you object, keep in mind that it's a tournament. Not everything can be on your terms.

[Zaphirs_Howl]

Nothing wrong with having a bit of diversity in the map pool. Voted 'YES' to save Zorn from the banhammer.

[avarice]

Jul 13, 2013 18:16:07 GMT 1 zyroloth said:

Cade, just as you depicted in your post, people subjectively dislike different aspects. That's the reason this democratic POLL has been made, I guess.  If there is a majority of 'yes' votes, it will be kept and everything is fine. If not, we gotta live with the resulting outcome, as well.


Btw, let's add DM-newandimprovedTOILET. I hate maps without a crapper, there's still time for you folks to practice it...Before you object, keep in mind that it's a tournament. Not everything can be on your terms.

Any map you're in, will have a crapper.

[zyroloth]

Jul 13, 2013 20:34:18 GMT 1 avarice said:

Jul 13, 2013 18:16:07 GMT 1 zyroloth said:

Cade, just as you depicted in your post, people subjectively dislike different aspects. That's the reason this democratic POLL has been made, I guess.  If there is a majority of 'yes' votes, it will be kept and everything is fine. If not, we gotta live with the resulting outcome, as well.


Btw, let's add DM-newandimprovedTOILET. I hate maps without a crapper, there's still time for you folks to practice it...Before you object, keep in mind that it's a tournament. Not everything can be on your terms.

Any map you're in, will have a crapper.

Touché.

[cadeyrn]

Exactly, people tend to enjoy and benefit from diffrent maps. Then why are we having a poll do withdraw a map that is representive for one side? By that logic we would have to have a poll for every map in the cycle. And zorn has been around for ages, so dont act like its a brand new map.

In all honesty im not a huge fan of zorn, but the logic behind this poll is just non-existing. You can't just dislike something, gather your buddies, call a vote then call it democracy.. 

[Er.Neelix*]

Jul 13, 2013 23:51:11 GMT 1 cadeyrn said:

Exactly, people tend to enjoy and benefit from diffrent maps. Then why are we having a poll do withdraw a map that is representive for one side? By that logic we would have to have a poll for every map in the cycle. And zorn has been around for ages, so dont act like its a brand new map.

In all honesty im not a huge fan of zorn, but the logic behind this poll is just non-existing. You can't just dislike something, gather your buddies, call a vote then call it democracy.. 

I have made a default cycle that should represent both known and played maps. In my opinion the maps I selected are played the most in competetive matches such as clanwars and mixwars. I don't want to force people to stick with the rules though, so I made a rule that allows every map if both teams agree on the selected map. I simply can't allow every map by default because some maps draw more frags than others and some don't really fit the idea of TDM or FFA gameplay. It's a TDM/FFA tournament where you'll get points by winning matches, you win matches by having the best total scorecount. Some maps tend to draw bigger scorecounts so I feel it's important gameplay stays to the essence and isn't too far apart in each map. I also want to keep that idea alive by having the right mapselection that should please most sides. Having that said, these are my thoughts behind the current maplist and my decisions.

Now to my point of having this poll, I don't find the logic behind it completely non-existing. I'm getting as well as negative as positive feedback, what can I do? I simply can't please both sides on this matter and I don't think it should be up to me to decide. I'm not a schoolteacher and I don't want to play the bad guy on either side. It would make things a lot easier, but I feel it's not the way how it should be done. I was getting a lot of feedback on that map, unlike any other map I've put on that list. I've talked to a few people and yes, making a poll seemed a good idea. In short, the reason behind this poll is because it is getting feedback of this magnitude.

I don't think it's fair in my situation if I ignore people their calls, doubt the judgements they made for themselves and call their votes unlogic. It's an open poll, everyone can participate and in the end the result should be democratic. In my opinion it's the best thing I can do in this situation. If it ends up I have to remove Zorn, so be it. It's not up to me to doubt people their judgement.

EDIT: I've voted Yes by the way, I feel Zorn can bring some different gameplay unlike the other maps. It can bring some nice gamechanging gamepla.

[cadeyrn]

As I said when we discussed this on the servers, I dont put any blame on you for making this poll Neel. To be fair its the only thing you can do without making people lose their minds completely. How ever, I feel like if people complained about Bothvar, Hudson or Ostara a poll wouldnt be called for. Sure those maps are played alot more, how ever not by all. Zorn is a part of many servers map cycles atm and its not a new map any means.


With that being said, its not like Zorn is going to get picked every match. I feel zorn is a map where if you get stuck with your playing on the more common maps you can turn to Zorn for something else, a suprise or what ever. Its a map who can change the flow of a match or so. And saying its a tdm/ffa tournament as an argument is like saying low caliber weps and shields should not be a part of this tournament. Might aswell make it an arena tournament then.


Just to make things clear, not fireing any shots at anyone just sucks to see a perfectly good map go to waste when a tournament as awesome as this one comes to play...  

[Er.Neelix*]

Jul 14, 2013 14:05:21 GMT 1 cadeyrn said:

And saying its a tdm/ffa tournament as an argument is like saying low caliber weps and shields should not be a part of this tournament. Might aswell make it an arena tournament then.

I think you don't understand me completely, that's why I first added Zorn it to the list. I personally find it a map that should be played in FFA/TDM and that it fits the idea of this tournament. I'm on your side with this one, I've also voted Yes on this poll. I just tried to explain that the reason why I had to make this poll was because of the many negative feedback. I can't ignore people their calls and doubt their judgements.

[zaphirsthor]

Reason: no more than that I just do not like it.

[Er.Neelix*]

Zorn will now be removed from the maplist. The map can still be played if both teams agree before playing the match.